Comments on: How Much Longer Will We Design for 1024? http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/ Torrance Website Design - Soh Tanaka Sun, 21 Mar 2010 07:57:46 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: fozzy http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-7337 fozzy Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:17:06 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-7337 My 2cents... While the cost of printing (newspapers, magazines, etc) has gotten cheaper, the standard size of a magazine has not really changed (given some small range). Just like websites, people have a comfort zone for how much they can take in all at once. Despite widescreen monitors being going from 1600x+ doesn't mean people keep their website maximized. And regardless, most browsers are moving to a "zooming" technology such that a smaller resolution design can be "zoomed" into larger resolutions. Liquid layouts are cool. I like them, but they're much more challenging to get right and certainly do not have a place in all web design. One most be careful to consider how a page acts on extremes. But with IE6 going away by most big websites, we can start trusting in more min/max width decorations and allow for better designs and controlling the alpha and the omega. My 2cents…

While the cost of printing (newspapers, magazines, etc) has gotten cheaper, the standard size of a magazine has not really changed (given some small range).

Just like websites, people have a comfort zone for how much they can take in all at once. Despite widescreen monitors being going from 1600x+ doesn’t mean people keep their website maximized.

And regardless, most browsers are moving to a “zooming” technology such that a smaller resolution design can be “zoomed” into larger resolutions.

Liquid layouts are cool. I like them, but they’re much more challenging to get right and certainly do not have a place in all web design. One most be careful to consider how a page acts on extremes.

But with IE6 going away by most big websites, we can start trusting in more min/max width decorations and allow for better designs and controlling the alpha and the omega.

]]> By: Mattit http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-6339 Mattit Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:01:11 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-6339 Great thread! I know it was started way back in Feb but it's still pertinent almost a year later. Many of the points are very valid. I use a big screen Mac at work and rarely use my browser in full-screen mode or even max width for that matter. On my home computers (Windows), it's the polar opposite. My wife and I both tend to use the browsers in full-screen mode. Although our desktop is set at 1280 and my laptop is set at 1440, I prefer to see things in the middle of the screen. I don't care much for the fixed-width sites for 800pix, however, simply because they present too much white space. I agree that larger screens are being utilized for multi-window purposes more than single-window. However, there are several exceptions such as movie watching, game-playing, word processing, etc. But most web designers, programmers, and graphic artists have multiple windows, if not multiple monitors. I'm with several of the posters that 1024 is a solid place to be. But one of these days, the 1280 width will slowly become the norm. And as one or two folks pointed out, it's not so much a matter of the screen res as it is how the human eye tracks and reads. If I have a screen full of text, the font is usually increased to make it easier to read. But if I'm just reading a standard 10pt/12pt font on a 800/1024 website, then there's no real need to increase the font size. With the move towards 1280, I think we'll also see a move towards increased font sizes, which, as it was also stated, ends up with the same effect as a smaller site template. Great thread! I know it was started way back in Feb but it’s still pertinent almost a year later. Many of the points are very valid. I use a big screen Mac at work and rarely use my browser in full-screen mode or even max width for that matter. On my home computers (Windows), it’s the polar opposite. My wife and I both tend to use the browsers in full-screen mode. Although our desktop is set at 1280 and my laptop is set at 1440, I prefer to see things in the middle of the screen. I don’t care much for the fixed-width sites for 800pix, however, simply because they present too much white space.

I agree that larger screens are being utilized for multi-window purposes more than single-window. However, there are several exceptions such as movie watching, game-playing, word processing, etc. But most web designers, programmers, and graphic artists have multiple windows, if not multiple monitors.

I’m with several of the posters that 1024 is a solid place to be. But one of these days, the 1280 width will slowly become the norm. And as one or two folks pointed out, it’s not so much a matter of the screen res as it is how the human eye tracks and reads. If I have a screen full of text, the font is usually increased to make it easier to read. But if I’m just reading a standard 10pt/12pt font on a 800/1024 website, then there’s no real need to increase the font size. With the move towards 1280, I think we’ll also see a move towards increased font sizes, which, as it was also stated, ends up with the same effect as a smaller site template.

]]> By: Mark Stevens http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-4121 Mark Stevens Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:02:18 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-4121 As Dean pointed out, people don't always go full-screen with their browsers anymore. This is due not just to the increased size of monitors, but also to the widescreen format, a shape that may be great for movies, but awkward for websites. I may start designing for a 1280px width at some point, but 1024 is where I'm at for now. As Dean pointed out, people don’t always go full-screen with their browsers anymore. This is due not just to the increased size of monitors, but also to the widescreen format, a shape that may be great for movies, but awkward for websites. I may start designing for a 1280px width at some point, but 1024 is where I’m at for now.

]]> By: Jim McGinley http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-3764 Jim McGinley Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:56:51 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-3764 Using Javascript and absolute positioning, I created a multiple column layout that would put the columns underneath one another at small browser widths, and put the columns side by side at higher browser widths. Columns were always fixed size regardless of browser width. I had a "liquid" layout without long lines of unreadable text. Unfortunately, it simply didn't look that good. I'm unsure if any design could make that look good. i.e. Could a newspaper page expand and move lower columns to the right? You can try my experiment here: http://www.tojam.ca/games_2009/default.asp Using Javascript and absolute positioning,
I created a multiple column layout that would
put the columns underneath one another at small browser widths,
and put the columns side by side at higher browser widths.
Columns were always fixed size regardless of browser width.
I had a “liquid” layout without long lines of unreadable text.
Unfortunately, it simply didn’t look that good.
I’m unsure if any design could make that look good.
i.e. Could a newspaper page expand and move lower columns to the right?

You can try my experiment here:
http://www.tojam.ca/games_2009/default.asp

]]> By: Web Standards Developer http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-3276 Web Standards Developer Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:20:20 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-3276 Im a little late at posting here but, resolutions are getting bigger and bigger but many people are not interested in technology like most people. Do not upgrade of buy new screens. We are always struggling with size matters and somehow i LOVE to have some space on the sides of the full website, I find that very pretty and then we dont need to make websites more than 960px for 1024 resolution screens. Its like the newspaper is getting bigger and bigger and soon we dont have arm to hold it up to read anymore. Lets simply make websites grow horizontally and make common sence of scrolling the same way. Stay with 960px width and make it pressy, useful and accessible... Michael Im a little late at posting here but, resolutions are getting bigger and bigger but many people are not interested in technology like most people.
Do not upgrade of buy new screens. We are always struggling with size matters and somehow i LOVE to have some space on the sides of the full website, I find that very pretty and then we dont need to make websites more than 960px for 1024 resolution screens.

Its like the newspaper is getting bigger and bigger and soon we dont have arm to hold it up to read anymore.

Lets simply make websites grow horizontally and make common sence of scrolling the same way.

Stay with 960px width and make it pressy, useful and accessible…

Michael

]]> By: Steve http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-3051 Steve Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:11:17 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-3051 I am actually moving downwards, with content being designed to be focused on 800px (the most basic Aseus linus netbook) - content WITHIN the 800px is organized into grid blocks of 120px 200px and Iphone size. Having a content management system helps a lot of course - basically, my code pulls site content based on browser and object width - it would be very difficult if I had to do custom sites for each screen layout. Depending on your requirements, you may find interesting an article on AlistApart.com about making adaptive fluid layouts I am actually moving downwards, with content being designed to be focused on 800px (the most basic Aseus linus netbook) – content WITHIN the 800px is organized into grid blocks of 120px 200px and Iphone size. Having a content management system helps a lot of course – basically, my code pulls site content based on browser and object width – it would be very difficult if I had to do custom sites for each screen layout.

Depending on your requirements, you may find interesting an article on AlistApart.com about making adaptive fluid layouts

]]> By: 小Y http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-2717 小Y Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:07:21 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-2717 I agree I agree

]]> By: Joshua Wold http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-2612 Joshua Wold Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:19:58 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-2612 Wow, great topic. I'm struggling with this decision myself on a current project. I am a designer and find myself surfing with full browsers on my 22" monitors. This may not be common though. I would tend to agree to stick with 1024px... Wow, great topic. I’m struggling with this decision myself on a current project. I am a designer and find myself surfing with full browsers on my 22″ monitors. This may not be common though. I would tend to agree to stick with 1024px…

]]> By: KVron http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-2585 KVron Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:45:12 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-2585 What about mobile devices? I think these devices will be more and more every day... What about mobile devices? I think these devices will be more and more every day…

]]> By: Steven Hambleton http://www.sohtanaka.com/web-design/how-much-longer-will-we-design-for-1024/comment-page-1/#comment-2499 Steven Hambleton Tue, 26 May 2009 15:20:35 +0000 http://www.sohtanaka.com/?p=1523#comment-2499 I prefer to zoom sites on the bigger monitor so this trend could skew the results. I prefer to zoom sites on the bigger monitor so this trend could skew the results.

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